The huge community of the CT and IT industry in Turkey and the Caspian and region came together with the Caspian Telecoms Conference & Showcase 2008.
As you know, the Caspian & Black Sea Telecoms Conference & Exhibition is the most important event for the telecoms industry in Turkey , the Black Sea States and their neighboring Caspian and Central Asian regions. The event has grown steadily over 7 years and has now become an essential meeting point for many professionals in the telecoms industry.
Turkey 's geo-political position makes it a natural communications bridge between Asia and Europe . Across the region, the telecommunications industry continues to experience a process of de-monopolization and privatization. Telecommunication coverage is expanding and networks are being upgraded and digitalized. Satellite and mobile operations are also developing whilst Internet usage is growing as Turkey 's telecom market prepares for EU accession.
The Caspian Telecoms Conference is a platform from which communication ministries and state telecoms companies can outline their concept for the modernization and privatization of the telecoms and IT industries to an audience of international telecoms companies and investors. The Caspian Telecoms Conference is a forum in which topical issues relevant to the telecoms industry can be discussed in detail amongst both commercial and state telecom organizations, including telecom licensing, privatization, legal and financial issues. It also promotes parallel seminars and ICT exchange programs between countries and companies. Conference speakers, sponsors and supporting organizations are significant members of the telecoms industry who have made vital contributions to the development of the industry in the region.
400 delegates from 120 companies participated to the event from Turkey , Azerbaijan , Kazakhstan , Kirghizstan , Uzbekistan , Turkmenistan , Georgia , Tajikistan , Armenia , Russia , Ukraine , Belarus , Moldova , Mongolia , Iran , Czech Republic , Bulgaria and Romania in addition to official VIP state delegations from 18 countries in the region. The event supported by 33 sponsors and 20 media sponsors from the region. The main sponsor was Fintur Holdings and Telepati monthly telecom magazine was the only official media sponsor from Turkey for the seventh time.
Topics discussed during the conference were:
- Regional telecoms market & Outlook for Turkey 's role in the region in view of proposed EU Accession.
- International & regional perspective, liberalization & privatization of the Caspian telecoms and IT industry.
- Overview of the future development of Central Asia 's telecoms and IT industry and perspectives.
- Overview of Russia 's Telecom industry & technology & its potential for the Caspian Region & Central Asia
- Investment opportunities in Turkey and Black Sea telecoms and ICT sector
- Overview of investment opportunities in Turkey , Caspian Region, Black Sea and Balkans telecom industry.
-Developments of Turkey and Caspian Region's telecommunication regulatory authorities and legalization.
- Overview of broadband services in Turkey and Central Asia .
Here are some short notices from the speakers at the 7th REGIONAL TURKEY, CASPIAN, BLACK SEA and Russia Conference and Showcase of Telecommunications and IT technologies sessions:
Cabir Bilirgen, General Manager of Communications, Ministry of Transport and Communications of Turkey
Bilirgen pointed to the development of telecommunication and IT sectors in Turkey .
The broadband reached up to Megabits with the beginning of 21th century, and Gigabits will come in a few years. This huge broadband access rates get the service variety and quality. The market and service providers must take heed of infrastructure. To corporate an international consortium is necessary for a perfect infrastructure. The communication between countries is the most important fact in ICT market. We will cope with the digital divide by improving our projects. Telecommunication market used to have a monopolist structure, but it improved with privatization and the liberalization.
ICT Market is constantly growing year by year in Turkey . Market size was 25.8 billion USD in 2007. We believe that, our ICT market has a further potential to grow and our target to reach a market size to 50 billion USD within 5 years.
There are about 20 million fixed line subscribers and 63 million GSM subscribers. There are over 5 million ADSL users. There are 8 million computers and 30 million computer users in Turkey . Internet connection capacity has reached up to 157 Gbps.
Our liberalization process has been started by granting two GSM 900 licenses in 1998. Studies on 3G tender process is going on. As you know, 3G and the similar technologies provide mobility to the broadband access. 3G applications will be the complementary services of wire line and fixed wireless broadband applications.
It is expected that performing WiMAX and similar broadband wireless access technologies in our country will be an important factor of transition into information society.
Satellite operations are also one of the major segments in our communications portfolio.
Our general policies regarding Information and communications technologies sector are;
- To ensure the full-liberalization and well functioning competitive environment in the market,
- To protect the users rights,
- To ensure the efficient and effective utilization of national resources,
- To plan and implement the universal service projects,
- To reduce tax burden on telecommunication market,
- To ensure unemployment.
Galip Zerey, Vice Chairman of the Board, Telecommunication Authority of Turkey
Mr. Zerey gave real statistics and numbers about the Turkish Telecommunication market in his speech. He also talked about 3G and Mobile Virtual Network Operators (MVNO) licences in Turkey . Galip Zerey made a telecommunication summary: According to February 2008 results, there are 18.2 million fixed line users and 62.3 million GSM subscribers in Turkey and GSM penetration reached to %87. ADSL users reached to 4.8 million. We have 246 authorized operators and so values of fixed line are protected.
The Internet penetration is 7% in Turkey . Broadband Internet access penetration is 98.7% in all accesses, so dial-up Internet usage decreased very rapidly. Turk Telekom has 4.599.410, Turksat Cable Net has 41.109 and the other ADSL service providers have 211.816 subscribers. 94.8% of these users have chosen 1Mbit/s and 4GB limited tariff.
Long distance service market share is increased. Telecommunication service revenue has reached to 16.7 billion USD. According to 2007 results, the mobile market revenue is 9.35 billion Dollars. Fixed line revenue is 5.81 billion USD and fixed data service has 1.32 billion USD.
To date, 90 million handsets are recorded onto our database (in 2007 15,881,096 handsets).
Regulations are 95% compatible with European Union , when the Electronic Communication Law is confirmed by the parliament, regulations compatibility will reach to 99%. At the 3G authorization side, we are planning to give 4 licenses. And so the doors are open for a new telecommunication operator. We will also give new licenses for the Mobile Virtual Network Operators.
Celalettin Dinçer, COO, Türk Telekom
Mr. Celalettin Dinçer pointed out broadband technologies and their opportunities for the countries and Türk Telecom's place in ICT sector:
ICT is the key sector for economy and it's a major vehicle in supporting productivity growth. ICT sector creates the information society. Broadband shows the development levels of the countries. OECD broadband subscribers connect to Internet with 62% DSL, 29% Cable Modem, 8% Fiber+LAN and 1% the other. In broadband penetration rates, while OECD countries average is 18%, this rate in Turkey is only 7%, but we hope that this rate will reach to 8% at the end of this year. There are some difficulties to improve broadband usage. Low PC penetration, high tax rates, low personal revenues, bad content in Internet and poor computing education are main troubles.
Additionally, we have to indicate the importance of the fiber technologies. Fiber technologies bring out the innovation. Convergence is really important for us. Mobile, video and fixed are a great team for IPTV application services and a good example for convergence. Türk Telekom will present IPTV at the end of 2008 and we are planning to reach our big target which means service anywhere.
Türk Telekom will continue to improve network capacity, service quality, value-added services and end-user satisfaction.
Türk Telekom became an ICT Group of companies with buying R&D based IT companies (Innova, Argela). Our Internet House Project is successfully going on. At the end of June 2008, we will have 831 Internet Houses all around Turkey . The visitors of these houses can use Internet for free. Türk Telekom spent 20 million YTL for Internet Houses Project.
In this region there are many business opportunities: The new cable projects, sharing the broadband service experience, working with TT Group companies, international IP connections, PoPs and IDC services are some of these opportunities.
Tero Kivisaari, President of Eurasia Business Area, TeliaSonera
Tero Kivisaari mentioned about the Eurasia region, the new growth center for TeliaSonera. TeliaSonera is the leading telecommunications company in the Nordic and Baltic region and also holds strong positions internationally in mobile communications in Eurasia , including Turkey and Russia . We offer reliable, innovative and easy-to-use services for the transmission and packaging of sound, images, data, information, transactions and entertainment. According to us, simplicity and service are the key drivers for creating sustainable growth and value for our customers and share holders. We aim, through our international business areas, to capture the strong growth within mobility, broadband and integrated enterprise services and the high growth in the eastern markets.
Eurasia comprises mobile operations managed by Fintur in Kazakhstan , Azerbaijan , Uzbekistan , and Tajikistan , Georgia and Moldova and a shareholding of 12.25% in Afghanistan 's largest operator Roshan. Our business area also includes TeliaSonera's shareholdings in Russian MegaFon (43.8%) and Turkish Turkcell (37.3%). The business area's main responsibility is to create shareholder value and to exploit penetration growth in the respective countries. Under the brands K'Cell, Azercell, Coscom, Indigo, Somoncom, Geocell, Moldcell, MegaFon, Turkcell and Life; mobile services are offered in markets that all provide a clear growth potential. The goal is to become the leading Eurasian mobile operator and to expand footprint in the region. The growth is important.
Alexander Yakovenko, Deputy Carrier Business and Sales Director, OJSC Rostelecom
Mr.Yakovenko's speech was about ensuring sustainable growth and new business opportunities at liberalized market in Russia . Alexander Yakovenko gave some information about Russian telecommunication market.
According to experts' forecast; volume of Russian telecom market will reach to 40 billion USD in 2008. Growth rates of telecom market in CIS countries are expected around 20% this year. In 2007 Rostelecom's share at LD retail market amounts to 85%, share of corporate customers amounts to 49%. Rostelecom's share at circuit lease market in Russia is 40% and our revenues at Russian wholesale market in 2006-2007 grew by 17.5%. In 2008 Rostelecom's market share at IP VPN market will reach10% and Internet market share will be 19%. Rostelecom has a very big backbone. Rostelecom is the key provider of transit to CIS countries, with direct cross-border links to Kazakhstan , Azerbaijan , Georgia , Ukraine , Belarus , Latvia , Lithuania and Estonia . Rostelecom use partners' infrastructure to provide connectivity to Uzbekistan , Kyrgyzstan , Tajikistan , Turkmenistan and Iran . In 2007 Rostelecom together with Delta Telecom arranged an additional cross-border link Russia-Azerbaijan. In 2008-2009, Rostelecom and Kazakhtelecom are going to upgrade the northern and western cross-border link up to STM-64.
Rostelecom has strategic priorities for 2008 at the domestic market like Internet backbone; enhancement of IP MPLS based services, data center deployment and building partnership relations with multiregional carriers and local telecom operators. In the international markets we focused on provision the access to IP resources in Russia and Europe for CIS carriers, voice traffic exchange and improving Japan-Russia cabling system.
Rizat Nurshabekov, Chief Director of Business Development, JSC KazakhTeleCom
Mr.Nushabekov gave important information to delegates about the Kazakh Telecommunication market and KazakhTeleCom: JSC Kazakhtelecom, the national telecommunication operator of Kazakhstan and one of most dynamically developing telecommunication companies on post soviet territory, provides wide spectrum of info-communication services. The central office of company is located in the capital of Kazakhstan Astana city. There are more than 33,000 employees in the company. JSC KazakhTeleCom has regional subdivisions in every region of the country and provides the telecommunication services across all territory of the country. The company serves more than 3 million subscribers of fixed-line telephony. The telephony density in Kazakhstan Republic amount to averagely 19.66 telephones for 100 persons. As an operator of international telecommunicationi, Kazakhtelecom closely collaborates with more than 40 operators of far and near abroad countries.
We execute the realization of set of large-scale infrastructural projects, the modernization and digitalization of telecommunications networks, introduction of new technologies and telephone penetration of villages, and development of broadcast access to Internet also. In present time, Kazakhstan has independent and competitive telecommunication network, the functioning of which in many respects is stipulated by JSC Kazakhtelecom's realization of big project with state importance the construction of basic ring of National informational super backbone (NISB). NISB includes the fiber-optic communication links with a length of which is more than 11,500 km, connecting the regional centers of republic, Almati and Astana cities among themselves. Kazakhstan telecommunication market is growing rapidly and there are big opportunities for new investments.
Olgu Dinçoğlu, Deputy General Manager, Tellcom
Mr.Dinçoğlu talked about Tellcom, investments and improvements. Tellcom was established in 2004 as a Turkcell Group company and in 2004 we obtained LDTS (Long Distance Telecom Services) licence. Tellcom started to provide carrier services in 2005 and got ISP license in 2005. Now we are providing long distance phone services, VoIP services, carrier services and data, both for corporate and individual.
Tellcom is the Turkcell's fixed line operator. Turkcell has a very strong fixed infrastructure.
In 2008 we will also be providing ADSL and fixed line services. Tellcom pays great attention to the infrastructure needs and the business opportunities and also provide customized solutions to corporate in their core business.
Tellcom has an MPLS based network and in Frankfurt we have a centre and backup of this network. Tellcom has currently 16 MPLS PoP points in Turkey and at the end of 2nd Quarter of 2008 we will have 11 new MPLS PoP.
Konstantin Lanin, Regional Sales Director, Russia/NIS Region, Hughes Network Systems
Konstantin Lanin talked about unified broadband and Hughes' solutions:
Hughes Network Systems, LLC (HUGHES) is the global leader in providing broadband satellite networks and services for large enterprises, governments, small businesses, and consumers. HughesNet encompasses all broadband solutions and managed services from Hughes, bridging the best of satellite and terrestrial technologies. Hughes has shipped more than 1.5 million systems to customers in over 100 countries. Its broadband satellite products are based on global standards approved by the TIA, ETSI and ITU standards organizations, including IPoS/DVB-S2, RSM-A, and GMR-1. HughesNet is a full-featured, high-speed Internet solution that's available to everyone throughout North America . Because HughesNet delivers high-speed Internet over satellite, subscribers enjoy instant access to information, no matter where they are located. All that's needed is a clear view of the southern sky.
Hughes has solutions for enterprise. HughesNet services and solutions are marketed directly by Hughes throughout North America , Brazil , Europe , and India , where it owns and operates the network infrastructure. In other regions of the world, Hughes products and services are available from a growing family of authorized service providers and resellers.
Government, enterprise, small business and consumers are very important facts for Hughes strategies in Russia and NIS .
Dr Andy Tiller, VP Marketing, IP.access
Mr. Tiller speech was about the applications of picocells and femtocells in the region. IP.access solves in-building access problems for mobile operators, opening up new revenue streams while defending existing business. Our solutions bring IP and cellular technologies together to increase capacity and coverage; improve quality of experience; and drive down costs. IP.access' whole systems' expertise and deep experience in live network deployments makes us the partner of choice for operators competing in the new converged marketplace. The nano GSM picocell from IP.access helps operators win and keep business customers by giving them their own private cells. Picocells help operators on to differentiate from commodity networks, to increase revenues from voice and data, to offer competitive in-office tariffs and to decrease churn. With picocells, operators can sell new services while improving macro cell performance. Picocells prevent operators over-spending on infrastructure because they enable Pinpoint Provisioning, adding coverage exactly where it's needed. Picocells provide a flexible, low impact and high-performance solution that integrates easily with all core networks. Femtocells are generating a lot of excitement in the mobile industry. Femtocells are an elegant, low cost solution to a problem that would otherwise cripple 3G penetrations. It's relatively easy to make a femtocell. But it's much, much harder to make a complete system that's consumer-ready and integrates with your existing network. At IP.access, we've been deploying in-building access solutions for years. We applied this experience to the non-trivial problems associated with 3G femtocells and have developed a complete, end-to-end solution that works for today's networks and prepares for IMS.
Savaş Tanyeri, Manager, Export, Alcatel Lucent
Mr. Tanyeri's presentation was about WiMAX. WiMAX brings high-speed Internet access to towns and cities where 3G mobile technology deployment costs are prohibitive, or to remote locations where running traditional cable or digital subscriber line networks are deemed too expensive or impractical. By using a standards-based approach, Universal WiMAX avoids many of the pitfalls of previous wireless access technologies to complement both 3G and fixed broadband access. Because of the standards-based approach and high capacity, WiMAX can provide either an alternative access method or complement an existing access method, and help providers get and keep their highly valuable customers.
WiMAX Rev-e's momentum became unstoppable in 2007. Commercial services launched with mobility. WiMAX formally became and IMT-2000 technology, alongside 3G. WiMAX is the first choice of terminal/CPE suppliers appeared on market. Voice and mobility features proven in real-world settings. Dozens of commercial networks will go online worldwide in 2008. Currently more than 50% of the world's population is covered by WiMAX licenses (primarily in the 2.3, 2.5 and 3.5 GHz spectrum bands), and operators are moving to bring new services to market using WiMAX.
You can turn technology into revenue with a variety of applications for fixed, mobile and Internet service providers. The IEEE 802.16e standard offers full mobility and sophisticated features (i.e., SOFDMA, Advanced Antenna Technologies) for optimal usage of radio resources. Alcatel-Lucent's compact and easy to deploy solution offers significant CAPEX and OPEX savings. Alcatel-Lucent has a broad solutions portfolio paired with vast expertise in end-to-end integration and project management.
Mehmet Toros, Deputy General Manager, Türk Telekom
Mr. Toros pointed out the vision and market position of Turk Telekom: Türk Telekom provides all kinds of national and international telecommunication services in Turkey . After the separation of post and telecommunication services in 1995, Türk Telekom has taken over the mission of maintaining the position of Turkey as the region's communication hub. It invests continuously in communication infrastructure and has already reached over an access line capacity of 21,200,000; we have 18.2 million active lines. Türk Telekom has over 6.5 million DSL ports installed and we upgraded our network capable for ADSL2+.
Türk Telekom placed 13th on the telecommunication world ranking.
According to 2007 results, our GSM operator Avea has 9.9 million subscribers and it means that Avea gained 1.7% market share. Also a Türk Telekom group company TTNet has reached up 5 million ADSL users.
Türk Telekom will add 10.000 km F/O cable to available structure. We will improve connectivity, reduce IP bandwidth costs and provide scalability for the domestic broadband boom. Türk Telekom is also planning to work on the converged services (voice over Wi-Fi and mobile network), new data services for corporate customers and public security, national and international IPVPN services and value added services.
Ali Korur, Regional Sales Director, Middle East and Central Asia, Eutelsat SA
Mr. Korur's presentation subjected about Skylogic disaster recovery and emergency solutions, but he also informed about Eutelsat and the developments.
Eutelsat is the leading European satellite player. We have 24 satellites and they supported by attractive mix of video, data & value-added services which are combining visibility and growth. Eutelsat's consolidated revenues are 829.1 million Euro and net income is 170 million Euro (June 30, 2007). Eutelsat satellites are broadcasting over 2600 TV channels and more than 1100 radio channels. Eutelsat has 529 experts from 27 countries.
We will launch new 7 satellites in a short term. Hotbird 9, W2M, W2A, Hotbird 10, W7, KA-SAT and W3B. KA-SAT and W7 36 E are really important for Eurasian countries. With these two satellites the broadcast quality will increase. Especially KA-SAT, which is going to be launched in 2010, has 70Gbps total throughput. This means that 24 satellites equal KA-SAT.
Skylogic satellite systems are more helpful for emergency and public safe. They include Internet browsing, IP Connection, voice transform, automatic switch function, QoS for VoIP and Fly-Away Kit for mobile users. These systems are really economical and easy to use.
Damir Amirov, National Consultant on E-Governance ICT Policy Project
Mr. Amirov informed the delegates about fixed line, mobile and Internet communication development in Uzbekistan . Damir Amirov mentioned about fixed line, mobile and Internet usage rates and trends in his presentation.
The usage rates are as the followings: Mobile 22%, fixed 6.9% and Internet 7.44%. Uzbekistan market has a real potential to grow. Communication infrastructure is not good, because of the service providers' indifferences. According to 2007 results, there are 5,888,175 mobile operator subscribers in Uzbekistan . The leader of market is MTS and it has 2,803,815 users with a 47.2% market share. Second operator is Beeline which has 2,198,033 subscribers with 37.33% market share. Coscom, Perfectum Mobile and Uzmobile are the other mobile operators. Mobile communications tariffs are clear and competitive.
The residential broadband access speeds are really low in Uzbekistan . Speeds are between 64Kbps and 1Mbps and actually monthly subscription fees are very high. Subscribers pay 29.8 USD monthly for an unlimited 64 Kbps while 512 Kbps costing 350 USD/month.
With the serious investments, penetration rates will increase and the high subscription fees decrease rapidly.
GSM Gateways and Mobility Extension solutions
During the Caspian Telecoms Conference, we had the opportunity to make an interview with Pavel Chrudimsky, who works as a Regional Sales Director in 2N Telekomunikace. We are sharing the information with you about the facts of the new mobility and flexibility trends: GSM Gateways and Mobility Extension.
Could you please inform us about 2N Telekomunikace A.S.?
The 2N brand appeared in the world of telecommunications in 1991 for the first time. The first product developed and introduced under this brand name was 2N PBX. 2N Telekomunikace is a Czech company with wide portfolio of telecommunication products and technologies, which includes PBXs, GSM and UMTS Gateways and Door and Lift phone systems. 2N Telekomunikace exports to more than 120 countries worldwide and become one of the 5 highest ranked telecommunication companies in the Czech Republic . Today, the 2N Telekomunikace A.S. joint-stock company is a well-known European producer and supplier of telecommunication technologies. Well equipped with experience, high-skilled staff and know-how, 2N has always been able to keep up with the latest and up-to-date technologies and innovations in the world of telecommunications.
What is 2N Telekomunikace's main target?
We have experienced knowledge about the producing GSM Gateways, IP Gateways, GSM Network products and PBXs. Our solutions get high flexibility and comfort while working out of your office. 2N Telekomunikace main target is: You're mobile every way you'd like to be basically. We're focused on to produce GSM Gateways and Mobility Extensions.
GSM Gateway solutions and products
The GSM Gateway (also Fixed Cellular Terminal, Fixed Wireless Terminal, and Cellular Gateway) is a device that enables any user to save money on calls from fixed phones to GSM Networks. Generally speaking, mobile-to-mobile calls are cheaper than fixed-to-mobile calls. You can imagine the GSM Gateway like a mobile phone, through which all company calls go to mobile networks.
Having one or more SIM cards installed in the GSM Gateway (GSM Router, FCT), you can make mobile-to-mobile calls instead of fixed-to-mobile ones. Obviously, these devices are much more sophisticated and provide a lot of useful features and options such as sending SMS, sending fax messages, etc.
Mobility Extension solutions
Mobility Extension will transform your office fixed line into a mobile phone and thus give you maximum flexibility. In practical terms that means, that you do not have to be in your office while waiting for important calls, or worry that you are going to miss a call that could mean a significant business deal for you. You can be reached on your way to work or at home, if you choose to work there. Your mobile phone fully replaces the fixed line and rings along it. It is entirely up to you, which phone you will pick up.
Mobility Extension presents much key advantages. For example, a customer is calling you on your fixed line, at the same time, both the fixed line and the mobile starts ringing. It is up to you to decide, which phone you are going to use to answer the call - if you are in the office, you will pick up the fixed line, if you are out of the office, you will answer the mobile. Your mobile phone becomes a fixed line, along with all the features of a switchboard and Mobility Extension replaces expensive systems, such as DECT, which require an additional phone and as the most important fact you maintain only one phone list and the one in your mobile.
What's 2N Telekomunikace doing in Turkish telecommunication market? Do you have you any partnership in Turkey ?
We're working with Bircom since 2006. Based on its long experience in voice networks, Bircom has developed Call Accounting and Billing (CDR) solutions, compatible with both conventional and IP based PABX systems. The Callipso Analyzer CDR covers a complete range of professional needs with its enterprise and small & medium enterprises (SME) versions. Bircom is the exclusive distributor for 2N Telekomunikace A.S. for GSM gateways. We have successful relationship with Bircom and also with Turkcell. We provide GSM Networks for Turkcell. We have big customers all around the world like Vodafone, Telefonica, Orange , O2, Comcell and Mobicell.
2N Telekomunikace researches successful models of mobile PBX solutions all around the world. We're ready to launch a new product in this year. It's a HSDPA Gateway which is by 3G and Wi-Fi supported. Fixed line, mobile services, data services combine with broadband speed 7.2 Mbps in a box. People can use this new product with their Symbian or Windows Mobile handsets. It's really a unique system for telecommunication markets.
We focused also network routers and customer will use unique wireless fixed line alternative with its full service which named as UMTS router 2N OfficeRoute. Wireless voice communication, wireless faxing and wireless high speed data are the advantages for the customers. Network routers present extra services like free calls between users in the office, voice mail SMS sending from MS Outlook, Mobility Extension and IVR availability.
Has 2N Telekomunikace any investment in Turkey about the R&D?
We care about the education well for research and development. 2N Telekomunikace collaborate with Bircom in Turkey . Bircom is cooperating with Yıldız Technical University and better students from electronic faculties are educated by 2N Telekomunikace. We are only too aware of how important it is to combine theoretical knowledge with practice. Pupils and students from the Technical University of Ostrava, Panska Secondary School of Communication Technology, Electrical Engineering and Engineering School in Prague learn about technology using our products. And also best student from Turkey go to Prague and see our products & solutions. There is a big advantage for education. Students have knowledge about software, application improving and product development.